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http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/09/14/the-great-head-covering-experiment/. It is a very long process of healing and strengthening! The altar rails have also been restored and the altar servers hold pattens and all receive on the tongue. Prior to Vatican Council II, even the exterior of the tabernacle was covered with a veil, a custom to which some churches still adhere. It is a later custom in Christianity (and different from St Pauls vows). * If you decide not to cover your head when in Church, please dont dismiss Gertrud von le Forts unique philosophy about the metaphysical reality of woman. But I always come back to the same issues so many have pointed out in this thread.. Robyou say unity at Mass is not something to which we should aspire? Thanks for the lonk and I will try to read it. Also, I cannot find any reference to the Pope saying women are no longer required to wear veils. Im totally agree with you. Women were simply not afforded their right dignity, their equal value as Image of God, for a long time in the Church. Paul goes on to assert that those who insist on doing differently are being argumentative. In effect he argues that for the sake of good order and to avoid controversy the custom should be followed. Isnt that a double standard? So, I started to veil when attending mass. Jesus didnt try to blend in and annoyed many people when he came to earth, but that didnt make his teachings and actions wrong. I think we start to fight against the phantoms of bitter feeling that then become real bitter feelings when we insist that people remember that it may not be a meaningful expression for me, when that person has given no indication that he isnt already doing so. What matters is that a person is dressed not to attract attention but to blend in, to not be a distraction, that all focus is on Christ and that all attention is led there. It is a humbling experience for me also. The veil reminded me that I was already a bride it wasnt something that was going to be kept from me. In Galatians 3:28 Paul says There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. In Jesus the world is redeemed and the sinful social order of the old world needs to be rejected in favor of Gods way. I dont quite understand St. Pauls arguments for wearing veils, but then again, I dont quite understand 75% of what the apostle saysand I doubt very much that I am alone on this one. When The Anchoress began posting her thoughts on veils, I started thinking about it more seriously. Until wearing a veil is established an an ostensible symbol of protest or challenge (rather than what it has generally been), it will be the disposition of the reactor which causes negative feelings, not the veil. Interesting perspective, the same I had for a long while! I know, not a charitable viewpoint, but Ive formed this opinion after numerous attacks by other women. But when it comes to veils, suddenly the tables are turned, almost as if women are someone treated differently. I had a friend who used to reply when asked about it yes, I am beautiful, and this is precisely why I veil because He is much more beautiful than I. we could change a tradition of over 2000 years?? Thank you. I grew up in a protestant Church and actually did not know anything about modern veiling until 2017. My wife has only worn a veil at Holy Mass on one special occasion for us, and I am happy for her to leave it at that (maybe my funeral as well). Sometimes it works, and it always helps. I must admit at times the veil felt more like a bridle on a horse, rather than some ornament of obedience. It had nothing to do with my love for God or the Mass. When I enter the darkened church before Mass begins, my whole body relaxes, and I anticipate spending blessed time with Jesus in a special way that will fill me with the grace I need to go out into the world and follow Christ. Again, I keep using the phrase simple elegance. I wasnt wearing mine as I had yet to finish unpacking everything. I started wearing it about 3 r 4 wks ago (my husband and older kids do still sit with me at Mass! Perhaps David but St Paul never said it was shameful for a man to shave his head. um, did you read the post? Oh and I am a man. .. I also think that most of the commenters (with certain exceptions) have steered clear of the word should . Many of the legal protections we take for granted today came from legislation passed by representatives accountable to female constituants. I thought about it, but I was uncomfortable with the idea of wearing one. In the end, when we were asked to agree to give up all reading and writing of fiction in order to have our baby baptized, we realized wed maybe made a wrong turn. One of the things that really drew me to the devotion was the fact that it IS voluntary. and that I was honoring Jesus in the Eucharist as truly knowing I was approaching Him. My covering has nothing to do with anyone else; it is between me and God. stilland no one is going to stop you from expressing whatever it is you think the veil does.but lets not use See what he thinks. The practice has been prominent in different forms in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. When I go visit I try to remember to bring veils for me and our 4 girls as they love wearing veils, accept our 2 yr old who keeps pulling off hers, mine and her sisters. What about going after the lost sheep of our fold? Required fields are marked *. I hope veiling will brg u deeper in reverence of God. St Paul indicates that shaving hair brings shame (not quite the Greek), but he himself shaved his head as an act of devotion (to indicate a vow taken as in Jewish custom). Remember the Blessed Mother whose head is always veiled. Argument 2 Regarding the Angels Paul also sees a reason for women to wear veils because of the angels. This is a difficult reference to understand. understood correctly he would leave it to the individual woman. (Feminism encouraged me to go to work and drop my kids off with somebody else. Its one of many Carry-Overs from Judaism, a caste system reflecting social stratification. It is a way to turn attention to him and awau from the self. Still others wear no head covering at all. [t]he rabbis say this is because the Song of Songs, tells us in chapter 4, verse one and following, that a womans hair is one of her most seductive aspects. Rev. I love your heart! Ive been discerning whether or not to veil and ultimately decided that I will begin veiling at Easter Vigil when I receive our Lord in the Eucharist and am confirmed in the church, and continue veiling thereafter as a sign of my union with Christ as his bride. I knew the Holy Spirit was at work. I am bothered by the fact that wearing a veil is optional, i.e., the womans option, but if a woman wears a veil in a novus ordo parish, trust me, she will be treated like a leper for the most part. We did and never questioned it because she said to do that. I do veil in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. It also appeared to be commanded in the Bible. In living her metaphysical reality,she was an inspiration raising the hearts and minds of men (and at least one woman!) Humility because she does not seek her own glory. That said, a woman does not go to Church to please or impress me. Woman was created from the SIDE of the first man (Adam being a generic term) as John Paul II is at great pains to point out in his Theology of the Body, not from the head or the foot. Are men not beautiful too? I note very few comments conceding that non-head-covered women can be just as humble and devout as the head-coverers. I encourage anyone to read it, and I wouldnt mind the good Msgr.s opinion on it, if he is so inclined. But like many other women, I do not want to stick out, or for people to get a holier-than-thou vibe from me. Why it is ommitted in the lectionary cycle is probably as you say. If anyone forgot their beanie, the nuns would slap a veil on our heads (and I do mean SLAP)! It would be nice to know the correct context/ connotation of the words used in the original language as they may be slightly different in English. 2. If you sense this happening, own up to it, go to confession, and strive to perform an act of charity for those whom you think are your spiritual inferiors ( a dreadful thought, but an all too human one). But I have found a multitude of spiritual benefits to veiling, and despite logistical issues, and issues with pride or social perception, I really love it, and find it to be something that brings me closer to my Bridegroom. The pro-veil people are concerned with their own personal choice, the anti-veil people are concerned with the choices of others. (Here is a link to the pdf file of that booklet: http://www.christianfamilyoutreach.com/pamphlets/theveil.pdf) Notice on page 3 under the heading Words the commentary about NOW the National Organization of Women. - Quora. Obviously this doesn't mean a Catholic should take Communion at an Anglican church--even an Anglo-Catholic church. I simply read them themselves, and responded to them themselves. I find the concept of veils foreign to me from this culture I dont wear a hat either, except when its cold. I tell them these details and they all respond with, Wow- I think Im going to start wearing one now.. Widows, mothers and daughters of the deceased person used to wear mourning veils to the funeral. I've alwayscovered my head when visiting Orthodox churches and shrines (in fact, they usually expect it - once I was literally chased round a church by an indignant Orthodox nun because she didn't consider me properly dressed!). he usually tells me, You are supposed to submit to me in ALL things.. I respect the devotion, but I think I would find the veil a distraction to wear. But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had her head shaved. I never read anything extraneous into it, and I never presumed any malice. But someone way up in the comments made a good point- its ridiculous to argue about head coverings when we cant even agree on what is appropriate attire for Mass. Well said! My understanding is, and feel free to correct me Father, is that Spiritually the man is the head of the household and a wife should take his direction when coming to worship of the faith. There are some local Churches however that insist on it for the sake of their custom. for instance divorce. To me it is not However, the Church is the official interpreter of the Scriptures and has not apparently chosen to take this approach to this passage. I wear my hair down as a sign of modesty. Yes, you are right that hats were more common in the forties and early 50s all the pictures from my parish confirm this. You thing some of us a strange lot do you? a lot more to virtue and holiness than wearing or not wearing head covering. At all the churches weve attended its been very rare to see veils and I dont like standing out more than our large family sitting up front already does. He claims , without even giving it a chance and with no proof just his opinion that the veil will scare away the youth. I pointed out to her that there was a veil over the tabernacle at the parish we were at. This video gives some other reasons why a woman might wear a veil. When we moved the Church we had attended was now quite a ways away in Des Moines , around probably a 40min drive one way and while that might not seem far to some the city we moved to Waukee was was still very undeveloped and was mainly farm land and cornfields. As any mother knows, a gift from ones kid just HAS to be used, so, of course, I had to wear it at least once. And that Im just an internet stranger, but I stand behind you wearing your veil 100%!! Speaking of St Pauls hard teachings (i.e., Christian) regarding women: I have two questions, 1) Why does the Church in the U.S. skip 1 Cor 14 when it reads that sequence from 1215 or 16? I would love to hear an update on how this has carried out. However, I am okay with female lectrors, and have been asked to join in this ministry. I recently started attending the Traditional Latin Mass on Sundays where almost everyone veils. My heart warms to see the ladies who do it. , Hello, I was very interested in the reasons for veiling or not veiling. Although I am still a bit gun shy, I continue to wear my veil every Sunday no matter what Church we attend. , Glad you stopped by. It felt awkward at first, but that was because I was concerned it would cause controversy. I think it is also presumptious to say that a After Its ironic as you say how some people march under freedoms banner but once in power or in the majority seek to limit the freedom they once fought for. Ive been wearing a veil in church for almost a year now and the few times Ive forgotten one has caused me to feel very exposed and uncomfortable. I certainly do not look down on those who Dont veil because I hope for the same respect that I do. It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that women must cover their heads especially when they approach the holy table (mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt) but during the Second Vatican Council, Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. When you click on them, I receive a small commission, while your shopping experience remains the same. Your email address will not be published. I read this with appreciation, as my husband got a veil for my birthday last year, and I wore it at the Easter service at our church. Great discussion. This is beginning to drive me a little nutty. This was an informative blog, Msgr. I dont recall it happening in one fell swoop. Inside the door are two veils behind which is the Eucharistic Presence of Our Lord, Who is often inside of a ciborium which itself is covered with a veil. The feeling I had of being closer to God, and by extension, his mother Mary, is something I cant explain, but it is a good feeling. A veil is an article of clothing or hanging cloth that is intended to cover some part of the head or face, or an object of some significance. I am a cradle Catholic born in 1961, pre-Vatican II. I would like to suggest one other reason for wearing a head covering. Modesty is not the only value at work here. I very much understand how with you being new to the Catholic Faith and at a new Church were the women dont veil, would make you nervous or not want to draw attention to yourself by wearing a veil. (created from his rib becuase she is not above him or below him, but his partner and they are protectors over each other) But for God. Hi Msgr. The tabernacle and the ciborium are veiled whenever the Blessed Sacrament is present. chairs,etc.) When I was a child there was no way I wanted to be wearing that thing, but not to do so would have be noticedfor sure. It is here: An Unpopular Teaching on Marriage. If they lived like everyone else they would have never been persecuted. There are certain cases (e.g. The veil is the sign of the nun's consecration. $25.58. $12.78. woman who veils ( look how we are using it as a verb now) is more virtuous that one who does not.there is Their smugness and arrogance (Other women are the only people they think they can boss around, I guess.) This has always been one of the major sticking points for my wife. Last Christmas, the choir had a loud brass band at Midnight Mass that was rattling my eardrums (literally, quite painful) and I put a heavy scarf over my head to deaden the sound. Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. It was nothing but an annoyance for me. Yes, I think if most Women choose to wear the veil it will be beause of more expansive reasons than just submission. Its hard not to be a little bit feminist with saints like Joan of Arc to look up to! Time and again my attention was drawn to how lovely she looked, how appropriate, and how utterly feminine in the best sense of the word. What do the early Fathers have to say on this matter. I wear it today for two reasons. I think I agree with J here. I was surprised to find that Ive gotten nothing but positive feedback for 5 years usually from men priests and lay who LOVE to see women wearing the veil. either way shes submissive as my bride and treats me (for the most part) as Christ would have her, and it gives me inspiration to love and lead her as Christ would have me. As someone said here how many Ill be sharing this on my blog if you dont mind! In closing out this already too long comment, I want to suggest a couple of dos and two donts for the ladies: * Prayerfully consider the possibility of covering your head when going to Church. Regardless of religion, I did enjoy this and found it interesting, thank you Msgr Pope. As I try to point out here, women are under no directive from the Church to cover their heads. I saw it throughout history and church tradition, only having been discarded in recent history. ( Music style, pews vs. It tells you something about yourself, your feminine charism, and the authentic reality of who you are in the eyes of God. For the first year I only wore it at places other people had them. Conformity is not necessarily a virtue. The Novus Ordo churches of today I have visited have all the reverence of a high school pep rally, which is why I returned to the Extraordinary Rite. If the whole purpose is to give glory to God, and I cause people to not focus on God. It takes a huge commitment; especially in a parish where nobody else does it. That was the first thing that made me leave.) It is an act of holy surrender, like Our Ladys, to say yes to Gods action in her and through her, to be a handmaid of the Lord. However, I believe that it is still required, as 1 Cor. The NO brought back much that was needed, including the procession of the Gospel as well. Yes, all of us need to look more carefully to how we dress for mass! One month later, Mother Angelica died and I was in Birmingham to celebrate her life and her legacy. My parish is Novus Ordo, but there are some women, both young and old, who cover their heads to come to Mass. I know this is an old post, but I just found it and thought Id comment. Yes, the word call seems to get at the fact that many of the women here are saying this what they think is right for them but it might not be something others would sense they should do and that is OK. Seraphim were stationed above; each of them had six wings: with two they veiled their faces, with two they veiled their feet, and with two they hovered aloft. Week after week, I still faced the choice: continue to veil? What, if anything, is 1 Cor. Check your motivations. I understand that the clerical ranking etc may be something worth examining. She surprised me in that when she prays before bed and when she goes to church she covers her head with a veil. Encouragement is always a nice thing to give one another. Thats the fate of a Protestant who takes Sola Scriptura completely seriously. No longer is woman to be bound under anitiquated customs that hinder her by covering her and keeping her from the freedom, say, to enter a church unless her head is covered (Kleenex, anyone?) Please let us not forget some additional symbolism of women wearing the veil, taught me by my wife, and by the Sisters of Mercy. Please dont judge!! If the 1983 code doesnt mention something doesnt that mean the 1917 code is in force on that article i.e. Arent women who meet the Pope strongly encouraged to veil themselves? I continue to wear a veilit took me awhile to wear it every Sunday at our parish, but finally did so for the past 2 years. What I want to do is live to honor and glorify Jesus on earth so I can be prepared to do that same thing in Heaven for Eternity. If veils are no longer a required biblical practice then what else can we ignore? That comes from how a person carries him/herself and the way clothes fit (and they dont have to be dowdy to be modest).

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